09:03 < Susannah_NCC> Hello. Welcome to the first Plenary of RIPE 65. My name is Susannah and I'm from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring chat during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out for you. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation. Please note that all chat transcripts will be archived and made available to th
09:03 < Susannah_NCC> public on‰ https://ripe65.ripe.net/
09:03 < ripe500> still no video
09:03 < Susannah_NCC> First up is "SLAACer or Prisoner of State" by
09:03 < Susannah_NCC> Paul Ebersman, Infoblox
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09:04 < tore> video works for me now
09:04 < arnomeulenkamp> no sound for me yet
09:04 < BSS27-RIPE> morning
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09:04 < Garf> video and sound works now
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09:04 < Susannah_NCC> great
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09:05 < Susannah_NCC> There were a couple of issues this morning with the stream but it should be ok now!
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09:06 < Alan_Steel> Works fine for me, although the stream is slightly behind the transcript
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09:13 < BSS27-RIPE> 2
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09:17 < tore> in the netherlands the law enforcement might be *very* interested in who goes to the coffee shops....
09:17 < KnockandO> ;)
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09:19 < amd2-ripe> it's fairly simple in denmark, if you can't prove who did something from your network, then you did it :)
09:19 < tore> in france too - even if you can prove who did it
09:20 < tore> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120913/06550920370/first-hadopi-victim-convicted-not-his-own-infringement-because-his-wife-downloaded-songs.shtml
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09:20 < amd2-ripe> tore: oh, interresting
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09:21 < pkern> http://all-knowing-dns.zekjur.net/
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09:23 < Susannah_NCC> Are there any questions for Paul?
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09:23 < rhe-786> ...and it's goodbye daylight. :)
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09:24 < ripe220> doesn't this beg for a programmatic/algorithmic approach, and doesn't that already exist in at least some versions of name server software?
09:25 < Susannah_NCC> would you like me to read that out?
09:25 < pkern> ripe220: 09:23 <@cron2> "lie on the fly" *lol*
09:25 < pkern> Bah sorry.
09:25 < pkern> ripe220: http://all-knowing-dns.zekjur.net/
09:25 < Susannah_NCC> if so, can you please provide me with a name @ ripe220
09:26 < ripe220> ripe220 = Eliot Lear
09:26 < Susannah_NCC> thank you
09:26 < ripe220> and yes, that would be fine, Susannah
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09:28 < lochii> I'm fine with wildcards
09:28 < Susannah_NCC> :)
09:29 < pkern> lochii: Wildcards don't help you if somebody checks forward and reverse (strict checking, default e.g. in Apache).
09:29 < lochii> of course, but then you have a use-case for an actual PTR record
09:29 < lochii> for cusotmers, I give them a wildcard /64
09:30 < lochii> then if they want actual host entries, they need to configure fixed addresses
09:30 < lochii> we don't do ddns SLAAC PTR
09:30 < lochii> no point
09:30 < pkern> IRC does that too. So I don't know if there's anything that relies on unverified reverse.
09:30 < pkern> Because everybody can fake it.
09:30 < pkern> Then you can just get rid of it, too.
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09:31 < Susannah_NCC> Quick question - is the webcast too dark?
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09:32 < Susannah_NCC> Next up is RFC 5549 by Stefan Plug AMS-IX
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09:33 < ripe220> not for the mic, but the previous speaker was a bit strong with the word "lying". for clients you at least get a TLD and 2nd-level domain, and this is useful information
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09:48 < tore> Question for speaker (Tore Anderson, Redpill Linpro): Did you consider using the IPv4 link-local range 169.254.0.0/16 instead of RFC 1918 private address space?
09:48 < Susannah_NCC> ok Tore I'll read it out
09:50 < lochii> what is the icmp behaviour on forwarding over this s-wire method?
09:50 < lochii> does the receiver need to send ttl-exceed from an ipv4 addr? how do they do address selection for this if so?
09:50 < Susannah_NCC> @lochii your name please
09:50 < lochii> I'm in the room
09:50 < Susannah_NCC> oh
09:50 < lochii> I can get up and ask myself
09:50 < Susannah_NCC> :)
09:50 < Susannah_NCC> hahaha
09:51 < lochii> I'm just trying to use this as an irc channel and discuss with people :)
09:51 < Susannah_NCC> aah ok
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09:52 < lochii> that was the question
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09:55 < Susannah_NCC> voila
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09:57 < Alan_Steel> The problem seems to be that some day AMS-IX won't have any continous ipv4 route between v4 peers. So there's a v6-only link between them. Some clever hack avoids 40B per packet overhead and allows to send v4 packet over that link, okay. But as the network grow won't there one day be a v6 only hop, which turns this strategy from solution to a time-extender only. Could someone maybe explain this bit to me?
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09:58 < Susannah_NCC> And now ...IPv6 for the Masses âÃî with 6bed4
09:58 < Susannah_NCC> Rick van Rein, OpenFortress
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09:59 < Susannah_NCC> and just a quick reminder - do please make it clear when you need me to read something out ...
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10:14 < Susannah_NCC> Are there any questions for Rick
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10:21 < nick-AMS> rfc 1925
10:21 < nick-AMS> (11) Every old idea will be proposed again with a different name and
10:21 < nick-AMS> a different presentation, regardless of whether it works.
10:21 < tore> :D
10:22 < jzp> *nod*
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10:26 < Jarlskov> Geoff Huston says to route all your packets over BitTorrent :)
10:26 < jzp> ..in addition to trying all other options simultaneously
10:27 < SLU-RIPE> sounds a better idea than some other things I've heard
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10:32 < teun-12859> can we evaluate chairs as well? :D
10:32 < rhe-786> Simples.
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10:33 < Susannah_NCC> Thanks all for participating
10:33 < Susannah_NCC> that's the end of the session
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