Daily Meeting Report

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IPv6 Working Group – Session II

Thursday morning’s IPv6 session began with Eric Vyncke, Cisco, with an overview of mitigation techniques to solve Layer 2 issues. Merike Kaeo, Double Shot Security, followed and asked operators for feedback on a BCP document about this topic. Ondrej Filip, CZ.NIC, showed KATR, a review catalogue of small routers which, amongst other features, also lists IPv6 support. Tom Taylor, PT Taylor Consulting, asked if any operators need IPv4 to IPv6 multicast translation or transition techniques. The response from the room indicated that this is not something people need. Andy Davidson, LONAP, sparked a lot of discussion listing the different transition techniques and drew the conclusion that, “we get the Internet we deserve”. Finally, Maarten Botterman, GNKS Consult, revealed the results of the Global IPv6 Survey which was conducted on behalf of the Number Resource Organization (NRO) and concluded that IPv6 is finally becoming reality.

Address Policy Working Group Sessions

RIPE NCC Policy Development Officer Emilio Madaio reviewed the current open policies. He was followed by Alex le Heux, RIPE NCC, who shared feedback from the RIPE NCC’s Registration Services Department and asked whether they should consolidate existing IPv4 policies following the run out of IPv4 addresses. After discussion, it was concluded that the idea had general support from the room. Sandra Brown, IPv4 Market Group, presented policy proposals for inter- and intra-RIR transfer policies. Discussion ensued, no major objections were expressed, and Gert asked that it be taken to the Address Policy Working Group mailing list for further discussion. More updates on policy proposals were on the agenda, including IPv6 PA/PI unification policy (proposal not finished yet) and the consequences of 2011-02 IPv6 PI growth. In the Open-Policy Hour, Nick Hilliard from INEX presented the Temporary PI Assignments proposal and Alexy Ivanov from LeaderTelecom presented a proposal for IPv4 sub-allocations.

The second session continued after the break with a remote presentation via Skype from Tore Anderson, Redpill Linpro, who presented proposal 2012-06 “Revert ‘Run Out Fairly’ after IPv4 Depletion”. The proposal is in the discussion phase and Gert Doering, Address Policy Working Group co-Chair, felt there was a general sentiment for the proposal to become a policy. Nick Hilliard was at the lectern again, this time presenting 2012-04 “PI Assignments from the Last /8”. A long discussion ensued and Gert summed up opinions in the room by saying that there is a problem but this proposal wasn’t the solution and encouraged another version of the proposal drafted. The session concluded with another remote presentation via Skype, this time from Milton Mueller who shared his thoughts on 2012-05 “Transparency in Address Block Transfers”.

Routing Working Group Session

The session began with Joao Damas, Routing Working Group co-Chair, announcing that the Route Flap Damping document is now in the last call phase. Ivan Pepelnjak, NIL Data Communications, gave a presentation on BGP Security Best Practices, which resulted in a lot of discussion among many of the IXPs in the room. Emile Aben, RIPE NCC, then presented “A Case Study of IPv6 /48 Filtering”. Martin Winter, ISC/, and Ondrej Filip, CZ.NIC, summarised the Open Source Routing BoF that was held earlier in the week. They asked the room for feedback on their idea for proposing an Open Source Routing Working Group. This will be discussed further in the Closing Plenary on Friday. Nick Hilliard presented “Remotely Triggered Black Holes” and Vasco Asturiano, RIPE NCC, talked about “Using RIPEstat for Prefix Size Filtering”. Finally, Andrei Robachevsky, ISOC, asked for feedback on ISOC’s routing security survey.

Anti-Abuse Working Group Session

The session started with a presentation from But Klaasen from the Ministry of Security and Justice of the Netherlands on the “Clean IT Project”, the goal of which is to reduce the impact of the terrorist use of the Internet. But’s presentation prompted a heated debate among attendees in the room and also those participating remotely. Many asked for clarification on defining “terrorism”. Athina Fragkouli, RIPE NCC, presented “RIPE NCC Data Protection Legal Advice Update”. Up next was Christian Teuschel, RIPE NCC, with an update on RIPEStat, more specifically on finding anti-abuse information using the tool. Ingrid Wijte, RIPE NCC, then gave a quick update on “Re-allocation of Address Blocks”. The session finished with a presentation from Peter Forsman, .SE – The Internet Infrastructure Foundation, on the growth of counterfeit websites.

Cooperation Working Group Session

A significant part of the agenda was devoted to further discussion of the ITU WCIT process. This included a presentation from Anders Jönsson, former Chair of the CEPT Com-ITU, Europe’s regional ITU coordination group, looking at the preparations taking place in the regional context, in Europe and elsewhere. Discussion in the room focused on nailing down specific issues and how to effectively contribute to the WCIT process. Andrei Robachevsky, ISOC, also presented on the OpenStand initiative and the session concluded with an overview of preparations for Internet Governance Forum events, both global and regional.

MAT Working Group Session

The MAT Working Group kicked off with a presentation by Martin Levy, Hurricane Electric, called “Intercountry BGP As Topology”. The discussion that followed showed that it was clear that there is a continued interest in geographic data for ASNs in the RIPE Database. This will possibly be on the agenda for next RIPE Database Working Group session. Vesna Manojlovic, RIPE NCC, gave several presentations, including: RIPEstat, RIPE Atlas Roadmap, RIPE Atlas Anchors and RIPE Atlas measurement methodologies. Feedback from the room indicated that both researchers and operators are interested in RIPE Atlas measurement results and suggested that the RIPE NCC develop more tools based on that.

ENUM Working Group Session

The ENUM Working Group had a lively session with two main presentations that drew good interaction from attendees. Rick van Rein, OpenFortress, outlined the case for “Making ENUM useful before it establishes critical mass”. This was followed by Mihály Mészáros, who presented remotely from Budapest on new developments and successes with Anand Buddhdev gave an update from the RIPE NCC. Working group co-Chair Niall O’Reilly also asked for contributions to, which seeks to build a collection that describes the various ENUM projects being conducted around the world.