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16:04 < fergal_ripencc> Hello. Welcome to the second RIPE 65 Plenary session. My name is Fergal Cunningham from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring chat during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out for you. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation. Please note that all chat transcripts will be archived and made available to th
16:04 < teun-12859> splitlong would be useful here :)
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16:04 < tore> the video stream is *MUCH* better over ipv6
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16:04 < fergal_ripencc> The first presentation is censurfridns: Technical and Political Aspects of Uncensored DNS servers from Thomas Steen Rasmussen.
16:05 < tore> maybe it's intentional =)
16:05 < pkern> tore: Everything's better over v6.
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16:05 < SLU-RIPE> aaah
16:05 < SLU-RIPE> tcp6 0 0 2a02:2078:100:dea:38019 2001:67c:2e8:11::c:1935 ESTABLISHED
16:05 < ketas> pkern: because noone uses it?
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16:05 < pkern> ketas: Less NAT, too.
16:06 < ketas> pkern: you mean NO nat?
16:06 < stolpe> is it hot in here or is it just me?
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16:06 < pkern> Which is less than something.
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16:08 < pkern> ketas: FWIW, if you turn it on in user networks, Google content will be delivered over v6 and hence it's a fair chunk of bandwidth that's using v6. But that's the other side, of course.
16:08 < pkern> But probably better not to go off-topic. /me hides again.
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16:08 < ketas> pkern: indeed, now
16:09 < ketas> pkern: youtube is v6 now and everything
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16:10 < ketas> hahaha @ talk
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16:20 < ketas> crazy how they did that here too
16:21 < ketas> at which point i instantly started using own dns
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16:23 < Phil> Question: how do you mitigate amplification attacks without some sort of stats/throttling ? Have you heard of the patches for BIND for RRL ?
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16:23 < fergal_ripencc> Phil, can you give me full name and affiliation and I can ask for you?
16:24 < Phil> fergal_ripencc: Phil Regnauld, Network Startup Resource Center and Danish BSD user group :)
16:24 < SLU-RIPE> Sascha Luck, for myself: So how long is it going to take until ISPs are required to block port 53 outbound?
16:24 < Phil> RRL = Response Rate Limitation
16:25 < fergal_ripencc> Thanks Phil.
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16:25 < fergal_ripencc> Sascha, Cork Internet Exchange?
16:25 < SLU-RIPE> nope
16:25 < fergal_ripencc> If you have a question for Thomas, please let me know and I’ll ask it for you.
16:26 < ketas> in estonia they block online gambling sites not legal in country... stupid law and stupid dns blocklist
16:26 < ketas> should fight more against it
16:26 < jbond_RIPENCC> ketas: tore seems like things are all ok now?
16:26 < ketas> jbond_RIPENCC: yes, over v6
16:26 < tore> jbond_RIPENCC: for me, yes, cause I'm over ipv6 now
16:26 < ketas> jbond_RIPENCC: want me to try v4 too?
16:27 < tore> I still see significant packet loss over ipv4 to webcast.ripe.net
16:28 < boggits> tore not seeing any issues from here
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16:28 < Phil> fergal_ripencc: my question was answered
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16:29 < fergal_ripencc> thx Phil.
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16:29 < tore> boggits: I think it's a reverse path issue
16:29 < tore> http://pastebin.com/CfyG6SUQ
16:29 < tore> the outbound paths over v4 and v6 looks identical
16:30 < tore> I have 16-17% packet loss starting at the NCC's ams-ix router over ipv4 only
16:31 < boggits> going over amsix too, not seeing any packetloss
16:31 < jbond_RIPENCC> tore: we are checking now.
16:31 < SLU-RIPE> didn't see any at amsix over v4 either
16:31 < sps4-ripe> Correction: The list is currently 890
16:31 < klaver-12902> guess it's related to the peer, not ripe router
16:32 < SLU-RIPE> yeah
16:32 < SLU-RIPE> fergal_ripencc: ok, same as my question
16:33 < SLU-RIPE> don't bother with it, thanks :)
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16:34 < fergal_ripencc> Ok. Thanks. (like when that happens :) )
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16:36 < Phil> Denmark discussed this position of censorship already 10 years ago, and there has been zero evolution, while other countries (like France) have understood the damage domain blacklisting causes to the Internet infrastructure. Is there hope of such evolution in Denmark ?
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16:36 < fergal_ripencc> Thomas has finished.
16:36 < amd2-ripe> Phil: and we're still discussing it
16:37 < ho_nomo> *clap clap clap clap*
16:37 < sps4-ripe> Phil: that requires that the major ISP's TDC/Telia/Telenor et al. decides to coorporate and not be afraid to stand up against politicians.
16:37 < Phil> amd2-ripe: oh yeah
16:37 < SLU-RIPE> or at least that *some* do and the ones that don't cease to be *major* ISPs
16:37 < sps4-ripe> indeed
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16:38 < fergal_ripencc> The next presentation is Mapping IPv4 Address + Port over IPv6 by Mark Townsley from Cisco.
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16:38 < sps4-ripe> the problem is that i.e. The Pirate bay blocking is not voluntary. There's a court order out on that one
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16:39 < jbond_RIPENCC> tore: ketas can you try again?
16:40 < tore> jbond_RIPENCC: seems to have improved ~1 min ago
16:40 < tore> if my mtr is to be believed
16:40 < jbond_RIPENCC> yes that sounds right
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16:40 < jbond_RIPENCC> we where getting packet loss with a peer, we have de peered for now
16:41 * teun-12859 checks if his sessions are still up :)
16:41 < tore> that's what I thought, yep
16:41 < jbond_RIPENCC> :D glad its sorted and no it wasn't bit
16:42 < tore> jbond_RIPENCC: whoever is the current ipv4 outbound path now is filtering icmp errors from your ams-ix router btw
16:42 < teun-12859> thought so, my stream is working fine ;)
16:42 < tore> strict urpf or something in play I suspsect
16:43 < jbond_RIPENCC> could be
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16:49 < ketas> jbond_RIPENCC: v4 still sucks, better now but still unusable
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16:51 < jbond_RIPENCC> ketas: we have no packet loss to you http://pastebin.com/ERS5NhK5
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16:53 < ketas> jbond_RIPENCC: will test more later
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16:59 < jbond_RIPENCC> kk
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17:00 < will-h> does anyone do the wifi here?
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17:00 < will-h> it would be awesome to have a 5ghz only ssid
17:00 < boggits> Q. How do you handle the inevitable law enforcement questions?
17:00 < will-h> 2.4 is useless
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17:00 < boggits> (James Blessing, Limelight Networks)
17:00 < tore> Question for Mark (Tore Anderson, Redpill Linpro): I understand that MAP would allow individual "premium" users to acquire a "whole" IPv4 address or even a prefix shorter than /32 from their ISP. Have I understood correctly that in order to provision that to the end user, he would have to get his delegated IPv6 prefix renumbered also - because he would have to move into a different IPv6 mapping domain prefix?
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17:01 < jbond_RIPENCC> bandsteering is in place, your laptop should be redirected to 5ghz automaticaly
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17:01 < will-h> jbond_RIPENCC: thanks. it doesn't always work though :-)
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17:02 < jbond_RIPENCC> that would be the limitation of your system then...
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17:02 < tore> Followup question: I also assume that the end users can only use TCP/UDP through this. Is this restriction lifted if a user gets provisioned a whole /32 or more?
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17:04 < AlexBand> AndyD is channeling my thoughts...
17:04 < AlexBand> great point
17:04 < tore> MAP *does* provide DS in the LAN
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17:06 < Marcel_AS9044> we will use Dual Stack and IPv6RD i dont see any reason for Mapping only that Cisco will get money
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17:10 < Marcel_AS9044> It was right now not easy to get CPE Vendor like Zyxel, DrayTek, LanCom and a lot other to bring it to DualStack and IPv6RD way
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17:10 < Marcel_AS9044> so for him it's easy to say LinkSys it's a sister of Cisco
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17:11 < fergal_ripencc> Mark has finished his presentation.
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17:11 < tore> clap clap, very cool stuff and great presentation
17:11 < ArndM> Go Phil!
17:11 < fergal_ripencc> There are now lightning talk sessions.
17:11 < ArndM> oh wait.. he's not online here now anymore
17:12 < fergal_ripencc> The first is Philip Homburg from the RIPE NCC presenting on interesting results from RIPE Atlas.
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17:14 < ketas> i guess no hd?
17:15 < ketas> sd is hard enough to get through
17:19 < fergal_ripencc> If you have a question for Philip let me know now.
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17:21 < fergal_ripencc> The next lightning talk is from Alain Bidron, an invitation to ICANN GNSO ISPCP.
17:22 < ArndM> I for one welcome our 5-letter acronym overlord.
17:22 < ketas> :P
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17:25 < fergal_ripencc> If you have a question for Alain, let me know and I'll ask it for you.
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17:26 < fergal_ripencc> Alain has finished his talk.
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17:26 < fergal_ripencc> The last talk is from Xavier Misseri of TELECOM ParisTech on enabling inter-domain path diversity.
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17:27 < BSS27-RIPE> feedback: Black on red - really ?
17:27 < BSS27-RIPE> ;-)
17:27 < branto> 404 on the presentation files...
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17:27 < BSS27-RIPE> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/82-Pre%CC%81sentation_RIPE_v0.1.pdf - works fine for me
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17:28 < branto> weird.
17:28 < branto> thanks
17:28 < BSS27-RIPE> Philip Homburg's I couldn't get though
17:28 < ArndM> It took me a moment to see that there was text there at all
17:29 < BSS27-RIPE> ArndM: I have it on laptop screen - so I could see there was text there ...
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17:31 < ArndM> BSS27-RIPE: weird; Philip works with the NCC; his should be the one that should definately work , you'd imagine ;)
17:32 < BSS27-RIPE> ArndM: true ;-)
17:32 < ArndM> on the screen.. it's really hard to see black on red
17:32 < BSS27-RIPE> anywhere it's hard to see black on red
17:32 < RobL> Yellow on white anyone?
17:32 < ArndM> Use complementary colors, I hear you say ?
17:32 < BSS27-RIPE> black on black ?
17:32 < ArndM> A return to the 80's.. Green on Pink
17:33 < SLU-RIPE> ew
17:33 < RobL> Some sort of ceiling gubbins in the way a bit of the camera.
17:33 < amd2-ripe> #fefefe og #ffffff ?
17:33 < amd2-ripe> ehm, on
17:33 < fergal_ripencc> If you have a question for Xavier please let me know.
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17:35 < ketas> #f00f00
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17:35 < ArndM> amd2-ripe: Let's try another 58 shades of grey
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17:36 < amd2-ripe> ArndM: hehehe
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17:36 < ArndM> oh wait... i read 10 too many, it appears..
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18:13 < reth> no stream from Grand Ballroom IV-V?
18:14 < Mihnea_RIPENCC> reth: there is no stream during the BoFs, only during regular sessions.
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18:15 < reth> Mihnea_RIPENCC: the other BoF (ripestat) is streamed right now
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18:16 < Mihnea_RIPENCC> the BoF organizer can choose to provide their own streaming, but we do not arrange it by default
18:16 < reth> okey