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09:06 < MarcoH> hello everybody
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09:11 < rvs> Morning gents
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09:14 < Alan_Steel> Morning
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09:26 < Eimann> shane: you mean thomas and markus from flexoptix? why shpould they be bad?
09:27 < Eimann> they did the tafelvoetbal tournament last year
09:27 < shane> Eric started off explaining about how we have black hats and white hats, that's all.
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09:28 < MarcoH> orange hats are a special case? :)
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09:29 < MarcoH> Any questions for Eric?
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09:32 < MarcoH> Merike has started her presentation about opsec, remember she is looking for operator feedback
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09:37 < pkern> Vendor support for IPv6 uRPF is not that great.
09:38 < MarcoH> pkem need to relay that?
09:40 < pkern> Guess not. But that seems like the general problem here. It takes ages until the edge technologies reach the edge. And even stuff for the core like uRPF is done in software on slightly older hardware, so needs to be emulated using ACLs.
09:40 < pkern> It's not an IETF problem what vendors do, I guess.
09:40 < MarcoH> You pay them,
09:41 < MarcoH> guess that is the carrot here
09:41 < MarcoH> any questions/comments for Merike
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09:44 < MarcoH> Ondrej has started his presentation about KATR
09:45 < MarcoH> if you have any questions, please let us know
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09:53 < MarcoH> Tom wants to know if anybody is using multicast
09:54 < MarcoH> and who is interested in an IPv6 transition technique
09:54 < MarcoH> anybpdy here, who needs that
09:54 < MarcoH> or has interest?
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09:57 < MarcoH> any questions for Tom?
10:01 < timc> any camera pointing at screen as slides are not on web?
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10:01 < timc> ah sorry they just got added :)
10:02 < MarcoH> Was about to say
10:02 < MarcoH> late addition
10:02 < MarcoH> but they are there
10:02 < timc> ta
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10:08 < timc> i'm guessing a long line appeared at the mic :)
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10:10 < shane1> It is a long line. :)
10:10 < pkern> Decouple NAT64 and DNS64 and integrate transparent IPv4 to IPv6 mapping in the client stacks |:
10:11 < pkern> Hm, ok, MAP for that...
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10:13 < ripe382> Please relay to the microphone:
10:13 < ripe382> Hi Andy, this is Mark Townsley from Cisco. The Stateless Technologies like 6rd and MAP are designed such that they can be run inline within the edge routers that are handling ingress and egress traffic for the site anyway. So, unlike stateful technology like DS-Lite and NAT444 or even NAT64, you don't need to add a bunch of special purpose boxes.
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10:18 < ripe382> I guess no one is relaying stuff to the mic from here
10:18 < shane> I can do that.
10:18 < ripe382> Thank you.
10:18 < ripe382> See comment from 5-10 min ago.
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10:21 < ripe382> MAP does.
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10:21 < ripe382> MAP has native IPv6.
10:22 < zajdee> We need to get rid of IPv4 traffic. With the randomness in browsers, IPv6 is not always preferred. MAP cannot help with that, unfortunately.
10:22 < ripe382> Yes, IPv6 only with NAT64 if/when deployable will be great.
10:23 < zajdee> Right
10:23 < ripe382> But, while Erik would buy it, I don't think many others would.
10:23 < shane> Yeah, stupid browsers trying to give user the best experience possible, instead of preferring a specific protocol!
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10:24 < zajdee> As long as there's the literals and applications like Skype, which could benefit from v6 by the way, but it's not using it, we're stuck with v4 and dual-stack and all the transitional technologies
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10:24 < ripe382> Yes, unhappy eyeballs in the Apple boxes are being very selflish I wish they would follow the recommendations in the IETF docs and what Google Chrome is doing.
10:25 < ripe382> Thanks Shane for the relay ... I'm headed back to Paris now. Enjoy the social tonight everyone!
10:25 < shane> Have a good trip.
10:25 < MarcoH> Thanks Mark
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10:28 < andyd> sorry all. ;-)
10:29 < MarcoH> loved it
10:29 < shane> Any time we have 6 people jump up right away to come to the microphone is a success. :)
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10:29 < jbond_RIPENCC> +1
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10:31 < MarcoH> jbond can you switch to last steering slide?
10:31 < MarcoH> nevermind
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