16:03 < Chris_RIPENCC> We're about to kick off the RIPE NCC Services WG - I'll be your friendly neighbourhood chat monitor! If you have any questions or comments, please post them here (with your name and any affiliation) and I'll read them out over the microphone
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16:04 < cali> impersonator ;)
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16:06 < rhe-786> Can someone ramp up Whole Lotta Love on the PA?
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16:06 < ArndM> I, for one, welcome our Comic Sans overlords
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16:14 < Chris_RIPENCC> are there any questions for David?
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16:16 < Chris_RIPENCC> next up, Axel Pawlik with the RIPE NCC Update
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16:22 < ivan_bev> someone needs to turn up the heating in the room - Axel appears to have cold hands :)
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16:24 < Djinh> ivan_bev, those are so he doesn't leave any fingerprints :)
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16:25 < ivan_bev> lol
16:26 < ArndM> Axel is trying to mimic Michael Jackson's white glove act ?
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16:34 < Mihnea_RIPENCC> ArndM: The gloves are special give-aways from our Training Department, as part of their "get comfy" program. They are special in the sense that the white dots allow usage of capacitive screens (i.e. tablets, smartphones). https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/training/e-learning
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16:35 < AlexBand> the white parts are made of human skin, I think
16:35 < AlexBand> or specially bred sheep
16:35 < ivan_bev> lol
16:35 < Djinh> special mercury-fed sheep ;)
16:35 < ivan_bev> sheep with opposable thumbs
16:36 < Djinh> hehee :)
16:36 < SLU-RIPE> unsuccessful PIv4 applicants
16:36 < brian> Skin from legacy resource holders? "RIPE gloves is people!"
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16:39 < SandraB_ripencc> If youa re at the Meeting and didn't get your gloves yet, come to the RIPE NCC info hub.
16:39 < SandraB_ripencc> We still have some left :)
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16:40 < AlexBand> it's one size fits all right
16:40 < AlexBand> ?
16:40 < SLU-RIPE> Size 22
16:40 < arnomeulenkamp> bring some to the drinks tonight, I don't have any yet...
16:40 < SandraB_ripencc> yes. One size fits most.
16:40 < SandraB_ripencc> they stretch
16:40 < Djinh> they'll have to :P
16:41 < SandraB_ripencc> lol
16:41 < AlexBand> they don't keep your hands warm, they just restrict the blood flow
16:41 < Djinh> at first your hands will feel cold
16:41 < SLU-RIPE> ah. Like Army gloves
16:41 < Djinh> but after a whlie all feeling disappears
16:41 < Djinh> and you're fine, no matter what the weather is
16:41 < SandraB_ripencc> You will stop feeling your hands after a while... so you will not feel cold anymore.
16:42 < AlexBand> but you can still use your phne
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16:42 < Chris_RIPENCC> Any questions for Axel?
16:42 < arnomeulenkamp> What's with the gloves? ;)
16:43 < Chris_RIPENCC> i'm not asking that, Arno.
16:43 < SandraB_ripencc> Did Axel stop feeling his hands?
16:43 < arnomeulenkamp> oh well..
16:43 < Chris_RIPENCC> any non-glove-related questions?
16:43 < ivan_bev> the discussion could go downhill rather rapidly
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16:46 < keith-24865> does the NCC still operate a finger server :-?
16:47 < AlexBand> only with gloves
16:47 < AlexBand> just to be safe
16:50 < Djinh> keith, we don't, not even with gloves
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16:56 < Eimann> that's going to be a fun discussion
16:56 < Eimann> a warm-up for the GM :)
16:56 < ecix1-ripe> maybe we will hear some more stuff in the GM
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16:57 < ecix1-ripe> Kurtis will stop the discussion any minute
16:57 < Eimann> heh
16:57 < rhe-786> ivan_bev: This is not going downhill, this is about the NCC operating based on member-set policy.
16:57 < KnockandO> Unfortunately, the NCC is already serving non-members. So this is third hand policy for the folks like me (privately) from dumbasses like myself (as part of a LIR)...
16:57 < Chris_RIPENCC> the next speaker is Alex Band, speaking about the IP Analyser project
16:58 < ecix1-ripe> he already started ;-)
16:58 < Chris_RIPENCC> slow typingâö :/
16:58 < ivan_bev> rhe-786: We were talking about axel wearing gloves, not the other stuff
16:58 < Eimann> yeah chris is slow. matt or amanda should train him better ;-)
16:58 < KnockandO> . o O (whips and chains?)
16:59 < shane> Serious training... the gloves are off!
16:59 < Eimann> hmm
16:59 < ecix1-ripe> damn
16:59 < Eimann> sounds good
17:00 < GPF> hâ§
17:00 < GPF> sorry, wrong channel
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17:04 < SLU-RIPE> sounds like a cloudy ipplan
17:05 < Eimann> all I hear is API
17:05 < shane> See, now *this* makes sense as a member-only service. :)
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17:05 < arnomeulenkamp> Why is Alex not wearing gloves?
17:05 < absynth> anyone volunteering to hack this into ipplan?
17:05 < absynth> hype atlas, nice typo.
17:05 < shane> He's wearing gloves that can only be seen by honest men.
17:05 < shane> Can't you see them? ;)
17:05 < SLU-RIPE> because his fingerprints are all over everything anyway ;)
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17:06 < arnomeulenkamp> Can you ask an honest man?
17:06 < ArndM> there are none
17:06 < KnockandO> arno: Can you find one?
17:07 < arnomeulenkamp> well, I'm not in the Okura, but I don't know if that makes it harder or easier
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17:07 < tore> Question (Tore Anderson, Redpill Linpro AS): Have you considered a public (unauthenticatged) version of the analyser, that shows the same information as asused would for any arbitrary LIR?
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17:09 < SLU-RIPE> that would leak way too much information way too easily
17:09 < tore> how so? it is public today
17:09 < absynth> why? isn't all information public anyway?
17:09 < KnockandO> You mean there's more info being leaked than is in the DB (which I can get a copy of)?
17:09 < SLU-RIPE> not pointy-clicky-accessible to any illiterate who wants it
17:09 < tore> you can set up any arbitrary regid and alloclist in your ~/.asusedrc
17:09 < Eimann> tore: maybe highlight Chris_RIPENCC for the question
17:10 < tore> Eimann: it got asked
17:10 < arnomeulenkamp> there's info about correct registration related to registration services
17:10 < Eimann> tore: oh, yeah
17:10 < Chris_RIPENCC> a good idea for future though, thanks @Eimann
17:10 < Djinh> not everything that the ip analyser uses is public knowledge
17:10 * Eimann is in degraded multitasking mode right now
17:10 < Djinh> like the size of the AW
17:11 < KnockandO> Yeah, but Tore wanted public AS Used functionality which does only use public info.
17:12 < SLU-RIPE> cui bono?
17:12 < KnockandO> *g*
17:12 < KnockandO> Andrea's already up
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17:13 < AlexBand> woo! made it!
17:13 < tore> AlexBand: clap clap :)
17:13 < arnomeulenkamp> Is there any chance that the webcast can go to 16:9 format? I'm watching a letterboxed screen here :-/
17:14 < absynth> Alex: I really like the analyzer. Makes life easier if you need to audit your assignments pre-allocation-request
17:14 < KnockandO> absynth: You mean, it tells you where you need to fix your documentation ;)
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17:15 < absynth> exactly.
17:15 < SLU-RIPE> exactly :)
17:15 < absynth> Or let's say... "where to synchronize my documentation and the RIPE database"
17:15 < AlexBand> thanks absynth :)
17:15 < KnockandO> ;)
17:15 < AlexBand> haha
17:15 < SLU-RIPE> I like it too, wouldn't like to see it as public information though
17:16 < AlexBand> SLU-RIPE, as promised, everything that is private will remain private
17:16 < KnockandO> AlexBand: Especiall the "ass. window", right? ;)
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17:17 < SLU-RIPE> AlexBand: in intelligence analysis it's long been known that correlated information, albeit from open sources, is worth more than the sum of the parts
17:17 < tore> SLU-RIPE: regids and allocated PAs are listed for all LIRs in alloclist.txt (available on FTP), which is all you need to generate an asused report for any arbitrary LIR
17:17 < SLU-RIPE> (and often deserves higher classification!)
17:18 < SLU-RIPE> afaik, asused only sends results to LIR contacts?
17:18 < tore> no, it sends to /dev/stdout =)
17:18 < SLU-RIPE> oh, offline asused?
17:18 < SLU-RIPE> never used that
17:18 < AlexBand> there is webasused which sends a mail to LIR Contacts
17:19 < AlexBand> and asused as a standalone tool
17:19 < tore> no, I guess it uses the ripe database
17:19 < AlexBand> it does
17:19 < absynth> damn, i missed a joke
17:19 < ArndM> absynth: it'll be in the transcript; don't panic
17:20 < Chris_RIPENCC> and finally, Niall O'Reilly
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17:20 < Eimann> 1/10 of reserved /22 for the LIRs allocated already if I got it right
17:20 < AlexBand> tore: the only thing I can imagine is "curl http://lirportal.ripe.net/ipanalyser/reg.id/" and that would give you only the public info
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17:21 < Djinh> eimann, you lost a 0 there
17:21 < tore> AlexBand: yeah, something like that would be nice - if it isn't too much trouble that is
17:21 < Eimann> Djinh: uh, yeah :)
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17:22 < AlexBand> tore: I'll add a story for itâö but no promises on delivery time :)
17:22 < tore> it's not that often I check other LIR's asused but occasionally I do, and keeping thing public and transparent is a good thing imho
17:22 < SLU-RIPE> dunno, the internet isn't what it was 20 years ago
17:22 < SLU-RIPE> allenemies now
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17:24 < rhe-786> SLU-RIPE: But if we're all enemies, then everyone is also enemy of my enemies, and therefore my friend.
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17:25 < SLU-RIPE> rhe-786: no friends, only (temporary) allies ;)
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